The problem is not Russian interference. It’s because we let him in.

President Donald Trump may be following Vladimir Putin’s autocratic playbook closer than we all realize – and Russian interference was just the tip of the iceberg.

In this bonus episode of The new abnormal, New Yorker writer and Survive the autocracy Author Masha Gessen joins co-host Molly Jong-Fast to talk about this phenomenon.

They’re discussing how leaders like Trump and Putin have systems in place to hold power, and if you’re wondering how a man like Trump could do something so elaborate, it makes sense.

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